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Venomous Blade
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Darksbane
, Aug 18 2010 08:37 PM | Last updated Jun 10 2013 03:22 AM
Venomous BladeType: Attachment House: Martell Cost:0 Game Text: Restricted Weapon. House Martell only. After Venomous Blade comes out of Shadows, attach it to a character you control. Then, choose and kill an opponent's character with printed STR 2 or less. Response: After you lose a challenge, Venomous Blade goes into Shadows. Crest: Shadow Number: 115 Set: TBoBB Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Michael J. Williams |
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14 Comments
If the character venomous blade attached to is moribund, does it mean that venomous is also moribund?
Can I choose the char it is attached to as military claim then trigger venomous to go back into shadows?
No, it will get discarded without any chance to put it back in shadows.
I'm not sure that's right. Here's what the FAQ says:
The trouble is
power andattachments on a character that has become moribund will immediately become moribund as well. This is why there is no opportunity to use the VB's response, because by the time you get to Step 5 (responses) it is already moribund.The bit I'm always confused is when the "After you lose a challenge" response is triggered. Challenge frameworks always elude me for some reason. Is it triggered after claim, and therefore you cannot bounce the dagger and then kill the guy it was on?
That's correct. The end of challenge steps are:
Claim
Renown
Deadly
Other Passives
Responses
As you can see, by the time you get to responses, you'll have to have paid the claim already. Since attachments go moribund passively when the card they attach to leaves play, your attachment would be moribund:discard if your character died to claim or deadly (or indeed another response like Danaerys Targaryen or No Quarter). Since we can't change the moribund destination of cards, you can't trigger its response to go to shadows.
Of course, you CAN choose the attached character for claim; you'll just have to discard the attachment too.
Since OKTarg brought up other responses, I have to mention this scenario: Assume u have VB attached to a character and you have lost a MIL challenge. You pick a different character to die and don't save them. They become moribund:dead pile. When the timing reaches Responses, the first player may choose to trigger a response first. IF you are first player, you can choose to trigger VB's ability to return to shadows first before your opponent has time to play No Quarter. You alternate triggering responses until both players pass.
Also note that Dany's kill ability says "no attachments" so she couldn't pick a character that has VB attached.
Careful when you say "power becomes moribund" because it does not. It is available for stealing by other card effects while the card it's on is moribund, but the power itself is not actually moribund like attachments would be. If it were, then card effects could not take that power.
Power simply gets discarded in step 6 once the card it's on leaves play.
The same applies to gold tokens on a moribund card. You can spend them and move them around using card effects while the card it's on is moribund, which would not be possible if the tokens themselves were already "on their way out".
Bah, I've officially hit the limit of things I can keep in my head for this game as i seem to be forgetting things I've already known - and likely explained to someone else already. Thanks for the clarification Bomb.
How would scurvy cutthroat work with this card?
Example: Martell reveals VB and chooses to target Scurvy. Does scurvy interrupt at the "Then" in VB or does VB completely resolve before he has the option to be discarded to remove the attachment?
Actually, VB is not played, it entered play, so Scurvy cannot interact with it.