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Ellaria Sand



Ellaria Sand

Unique Ellaria Sand



Type: Character House: Martell
Cost: 3 Strength: 3 Icons: Intrigue, Power
Game Text:
Lady. Bastard.
House Martell only. Stealth.
While it is Summer, Ellaria Sand gains: "Response: After an opponent plays or puts a character into play, Ellaria Sand claims 2 power if that player controls more characters than you. (Limit 3 times per phase.)"
Number: 30 Set: FaI
Quantity: 3 Illustrator: Drazenka Kimpel
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45 Comments

I hate my Martell playing friend even more now. :angry:
I would NOT be able to trigger her response on opponents' characters being put into play through my own Narrow Escape (KotStorm), correct?

I presume not since I would be the one "putting them into play".

(On the other hand, if an opponent used Narrow Escape, I would be able to respond on my own character(s) being put into play - if there were any.)
why doesnt this card have the sandsnake trait!!!!!!!
Cos she isn't a sand snake: although she is mother to some of them (I think).
i know she technically isnt a sandsnake, but game wise she should be....

eg... cat isnt a member of house tully anymore but she still has the tully trait

Elleria has 4 daughters by the viper.... Elia, Obella, Dorea and Loreza
Catelyn never stopped being a Tully.

why doesnt this card have the sandsnake trait!!!!!!!


Why would she have it? She isn't nor never was a sandsnake, sandsnake is just the nickname of viper's kids.
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emptyrepublic
Oct 13 2013 04:32 AM

I would NOT be able to trigger her response on opponents' characters being put into play through my own Narrow Escape (KotStorm), correct?

I presume not since I would be the one "putting them into play".

(On the other hand, if an opponent used Narrow Escape, I would be able to respond on my own character(s) being put into play - if there were any.)


I believe I'm reading you correctly and to my understanding your conclusion is correct. Your Narrow Escape would be considered you putting characters into play, not your opponent.
Agreed.

Where she get really nasty is when facing an opponent using shadows/ambush to claim power in marshalling and other phases.

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LorasTyrell
Oct 13 2013 12:35 PM
yesterday against Stark Siege I was loosing 12-5 and had fewer characters than my opponent, I went first and dropped Ellaria, my board position is just Ellaria + Arianne + Red Viper. Stark player thinks "who cares" and playes 3 characters more than me. Now we are 12-11. He probably wanted to deal with her with some kill event but I had my cancels eheh.

I pull an unexpected power challange with double stealth, win by 4 or more (i guess unopposed with 2 claim), seductive promise on his biggest mil character: win military to wipe the board, then win intrigue unopposed. Didn't get renown from the viper due to Frozen Moat, but I went from 5 to 15 in that turn and won :P

Don't underestimate this card, lol
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She is amazing. She alters the course of the game and sometimes quite dramatically.
Is she triggered by an opponent bringing a character out of shadows?
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LorasTyrell
Oct 27 2013 05:15 PM

Is she triggered by an opponent bringing a character out of shadows?

Yup, and also when it's ambushed into play
I think that is incorrect bring a card out of shadows is not playing or putting card into play your doing that when putting into shadows same way can play a card and take cards out of shadows against fear of winter.
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LorasTyrell
Oct 27 2013 07:44 PM

I think that is incorrect bring a card out of shadows is not playing or putting card into play your doing that when putting into shadows same way can play a card and take cards out of shadows against fear of winter.

Actually I guess you're right, it works with ambush but not with shadows!
Actually, bringing cards out of Shadows IS considered putting them into play (cards in Shadows are not considered "in play"). As for the Fear of Winter (BtW) - bringing cards out of Shadows doesn't count against limitation, because it is not from your hand; putting or playing cards into Shadows counts against the limit, because it says so in FAQ.
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Actually, bringing cards out of Shadows IS considered putting them into play (cards in Shadows are not considered "in play"). As for the Fear of Winter (BtW) - bringing cards out of Shadows doesn't count against limitation, because it is not from your hand; putting or playing cards into Shadows counts against the limit, because it says so in FAQ.


where does it say that bringing cards out of shadows is putting them into play I always heard that wasn't the case.
From the Shadow's Rules:

"Bringing a card out of Shadows
At the beginning of the any phase, a card that is in Shadows can come out of Shadows and into play at the discretion of the player controlling the card


http://community.fan...out-of-shadows/
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hmm interesting okay thank you
Fury of the Lion (AE) absolutely screws with this. Boooooo.
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LorasTyrell
Oct 30 2013 01:35 PM

Fury of the Lion (AE) absolutely screws with this. Boooooo.

Who in hell plays it? LOL
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slothgodfather
Oct 30 2013 01:49 PM
in melee - where she is easiest to trigger I'm sure.

Slander and Lies (HtS) is also terrible.

Fury of the Lion (AE) absolutely screws with this. Boooooo.


If you can beat Martell in intrigue. Not a given even for Lannister, with Burning on the Sand (not restricted in melee) and He Calls it Thinking to deal with cancels to that.

Slander and Lies is a bigger problem. Thankfully as a condition there are ways to remove it long turn - the damage may well be done by then however. If Brotherhood becomes more popular again (possible since its the focus of a forthcoming chapter pack) I can see that really hurting.

A solution to her that is applicable to a lot of other problem cards could well be that old chestnut, Milk of the Poppy. Nightmares as well, unless you run lots of shadows/ambush and also marshall characters.

A solution to her that is applicable to a lot of other problem cards could well be that old chestnut, Milk of the Poppy. Nightmares as well, unless you run lots of shadows/ambush and also marshall characters.


I'm not so sure. Quoting the FAQ:

(3.8) Gaining Abilities
If any card effect has the text "character gains...," any ability (traits, keywords, icon modifiers, or STR modifiers are not considered abilities) following the word "gains" is considered to now be a character ability. However, that effect is not assumed to be a part of that character's text box. Any effect that blanks a card's text box is assumed to blank that card's printed text box.

To me this says that Ellaria's ability is not negated by blanking effects. I'll be happy if someone corrects me though!
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slothgodfather
Oct 30 2013 06:59 PM
Her text box gives her a gained response. More specifically, her printed text box character ability gives her a conditionally gained character ability (response). So blanking her means her character ability (that grants her a response ability) is not active.

The thing the FAQ is more referring to is when it is gained by another source. Something like Ser Parmen Crane (KotStorm) grants abilities to other Lord characters. If you had Milk of the Poppy (Core) already on Renly Baratheon (TRS), since he still has his trait he would still have the gained ability from Crane.