Theon Greyjoy

Can someone explain me this card? I'm not english native, don't really understand what it means by "After a player counts income".

It means that after the active player collects their gold tokens during the marshaling phase, they then are required to kill a character they control. Not sure how to be any more specific than that.

1. No, you can only kill cards that are "in play". Cards in shadows are considered to be "in shadows".

2. If a character has the text "immune to character abilities", they can still be chosen as the target of a plot effect, an event card or any other effect that is not specifically a "character ability". They can also be chosen for military claim unless they have the text "cannot be killed".

Perhaps a more experienced member will be able to elaborate on Theon Greyjoy's text and whether or not it is a "character ability" or a "passive effect".

Even as a passive effect, it is still an passive ability originating from a character, so it is still a character ability.  Since it is still Theon's ability that is making a player choose a character, I don't believe they cannot choose a character that is immune to character abilities.  yea, that was garbage.  see ktom's post below.  

Even as a passive effect, it is still an passive ability originating from a character, so it is still a character ability.  Since it is still Theon's ability that is making a player choose a character, I don't believe they cannot choose a character that is immune to character abilities.

It's  a passive ability that targets the player.  The player then kills the character.  That's how it gets round the immunity.

EDIT:  Also, I completely misread what you wrote.  Whoops!

Perhaps a more experienced member will be able to elaborate on Theon Greyjoy's text and whether or not it is a "character ability" or a "passive effect".

It is both.  

There are a few misstatements (and a confusing double negative...) here, so let me jump in here with a few things:

- Theon's effect is, as has been said, is a "passive character ability". For the discussion of immunity, it makes no difference that it is passive, only that it is a character ability.

- If a card is immune to character abilities, it can neither be targeted by Theon nor affected by Theon, targeted or not.

- The word "choose" shows what the target is. An effect would have to say "choose a player" in order to target a player. Theon does not, so it does not "target" the player.

- It does, however, say to choose a character, so the character is the target of the effect. (It doesn't matter who makes the actual choice; the chosen card is still a target for the effect.) Since immune cards cannot be targeted by what they are immune to, characters that are "immune to character abilities" are not legal choices/targets for Theon's effect -- no matter who is doing the choosing.

- Even if they were legal targets, it is still the card effect, not the player choosing the target, that does the actual killing. It's like Two-Face flipping his coin before pulling the trigger -- you don't blame the coin for killing the victim. So even if Theon could kill without choosing a target, he couldn't kill an immune character.

So, end result is "immune to character abilities" protects characters from being killed by Theon by stopping any player from choosing the character as a target for Theon's ability. However, that also means other non-immune characters cannot "hide" behind the immune one. One of them would have to be chosen as the target.

Thanks fellow members.

Yes, I wasn't sure whether Theon Greyjoy's text was considered a character ability because it reads much more like an agenda text (e.g. The Old Way - "After a challenge resolves, the player who counted the lowest total STR must choose and kill a participating character he or she controls") rather than a typical character ability (e.g. Daenerys Targaryen - "If you win a challenge in which Daenerys Targaryen attacked alone, move all gold tokens from the losing opponent's gold pool to your gold pool").

So, can I just clarify:

1. The text section of a character card is always considered a "character ability" (of course excluding Traits, Keywords, Icons, Crests, and Flavor Text)?

2. A "passive effect" is something that takes effect automatically (i.e. there is no "Any Phase" or "Response" text in front of it)?

3. The text on Theon Greyjoy would be considered a "passive character ability"?

Cheers.

1. Yes.

2. Mostly. Technically, a "passive effect" is something that initiates when its play restrictions are met -- whether the card's controller wants it to or not. That's a little different than the way you worded it because "something that takes effect automatically (i.e. there is no "Any Phase" or "Response" text in front of it)" might also describe a "continuous effect," which also takes effect "automatically" when the card it is on enters play. The difference is that "continuous effects" are considered "always on," without needing to be initiated, whereas passive effects are initiated at a particular time.

For example, a character that says "After you win a challenge, your Night's Watch characters get +1 STR until the end of the phase" has a passive (character) ability, but a character that says, "Your Night's Watch characters get +1 STR" has a continuous (character) ability.

3. Yes.

Thanks ktom