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All Things Shagga - Shagga Meets Jaime

Small Council All Things Shagga Kennon

Here we go again with another exciting week of Shagga deck analysis. This time, we’re going cast our gaze at a deck with a decidedly more Jaime tint than usual. The most successful “combo” style deck that I’ve seen so far is almost certainly the Stark Seige rush decks. Of course, I didn’t think of it that way at first, but a Magic player who dabbled in AGOT a couple years ago pointed out that it’s really the sort of deck that wants to full playsets of any key cards and get to them as quickly as possible in order to set up a win without the opponent being able to interact (thanks to Fear of Winter). It wasn’t until sometime later when I really started to delve into the theory behind decktypes and such that I realized this means it’s really a combo deck, and this quite Shagga!

The Cards:

The Siege of Winterfell- This is the key card right here. Everything else revolves around this card and the power grab that it enables. It plays right into one of Stark’s biggest strengths in the military challenge, and winning them as quickly as possible powers right into victory.

Fear of Winter- This is the main card used to make sure that opponents have as little ability to interact with your combo as possible. Arguably that is what makes it so frustrating to play against.

Battle for the Shield Islands, Battle of the Whispering Wood, Battle of the Bay- The Epic Battles are the best way to pack in a bunch of military challenges into the first couple turns of the game, and conveniently The Seige of Winterfell’s response can still be triggered in Response to those Epic Phase military challenges. The recent addition of Battle for the Shield Islands was great for this deck as a way in increase your redundancy.

Syrio Forel, Northern Cavalry Flank, Rickard Karstark- These are the characters that will be helping you win those multiple military challenges. Syrio is the most efficient for his low cost and ability to return to Shadows after each military challenge and then pop back out at the start of the next Epic Phase in order to slam home military challenges with his stealth. Northern Cavalry Flank is probably the next best option since it won’t kneel most of the time, but it does bring higher strength and deadly to the table. Rickard is probably the least favorable of the options, but still won’t kneel to attack. Just keep in mind that his power gaining ability won’t work with Siege of Winterfell.

White Harbor Dromon- Another card new to the fold, White Harbor Dromon can help provide a tactical boost with Naval enhancements, but more importantly, it can grant one of your non kneeling characters (aside from Syrio) renown and really help speed up those couple early turns.

Thoughts on Play:

In the words of the immortal Ricky Bobby, “I wanna go fast!” That’s the key to this deck. Do whatever you have to in order to win as quickly as possible. As mentioned earlier, Fear of Winter keeps your opponent’s ability to interact with you at a minimum, but don’t forget that your Epic Battle events can be played prior to revealing plots, which leaves your single card open to be a character in order to win those challenges. Likewise, Much and More gives you the chance to dig in a combo deck to find whichever piece you need and can be played prior to the Fear of Winter reveal. Brienne of Tarth provides another great way to keep your opponent from doing anything productive during your military challenges.

The rest of the deck largely rounds out with cards that are there in consideration for Setup, which lets you dig a little closer to your gas when you need it in that first turn. Hungry Mob makes a reasonable replacement for the now restricted refugees, while Direwolf Pup, Hodor, Shaggydog, and The Hound all provide high strength in the key icon for a very low cost. Also very handy for setup is Bay of Ice as a 0 cost non-limited location, which stands a pretty good chance of drawing an extra card for you on that first turn as well as potentially the second , provided you aren’t up against Knights of the Hollow Hill.

The rest of the plot deck give you some other options that fit with the general theme, though they hopefully won’t be needed. Still, Rule By Decree combines very nicely with the pre-plot Epic Battle events, Naval Superiority can provide a crushing one sided board wipe thanks to the Dromon, and Manning the City Walls can drop a key army into play. There isn’t a traditional reset, however, because this deck is putting the pressure on in the most pure sense and really should be trying to win before a reset would be necessary. It also doesn’t hurt that the extra military challenges tend to help keep the opponent’s board pared down.


The Deck:

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Stark Seige

House (1)
House Stark (Core) x1

Agenda (1)
The Siege of Winterfell (LoW) x1


Plot (7)
After the Mummer's Ford (KotS) x1
Fear of Winter (BtW) x1
Manning the City Walls (CD) x1
Naval Superiority (TGF) x1
Respect of the Old Gods (LoW) x1
Rule by Decree (Core) x1
Storm of Swords (LoW) x1

Character (32)
Summer Sea Corsair (RotK) x3
Syrio Forel (TftRK) x3
Brienne of Tarth (PotS) x3
Damon Dance-For-Me (VD) x2
Direwolf Pup (Core) x3
Fleet from Wolf's Den (RotK) x2
Hodor (Core) x1
Hungry Mob (CoS) x3
Lucas Blackwood (GotC) x1
Northern Cavalry Flank (SA) x3
Rickard Karstark (WLL) x3
Ser Jorah Mormont (PotS) x1
Ser Kyle Condon (APS) x1
Shaggydog (Core) x1
The Blackfish (LoW) x1
The Hound (PotS) x1

Location (16)
Bay of Ice (KotS) x3
Great Keep (Core) x3
Lord Eddard's Chambers (Core) x1
Narrow Sea (Core) x3
White Harbor Dromon (TGF) x3
Street of Silk (LotR) x1
Street of Sisters (Core) x1
Street of Steel (Core) x1

Event (12)
Battle for the Shield Islands (TGF) x3
Battle of the Bay (TBoBB) x3
The Battle of the Whispering Wood (EB) x3
Much and More (AHM) x3

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21 Comments

Heads up, the White Harbor Dromon (TGF) ability is a challenges ability, and will not work in the epic phase. Still a super solid card though, especially for the Naval Superiority (TGF) turn.
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reedhackman
Apr 10 2013 07:15 PM
it's probably in there for the renown. slap that on a northern cavalry flank and its an extra 2 power in a rush deck, which seems pretty solid.
More than that if you end up defending after going first. (Which you might for the renown...)
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scantrell24
Apr 10 2013 08:41 PM
I love how focused this design is compared to my previous clumsy attempts. My only nitpick is that Summer Sea Corsair interferes with Syrio.
Now THAT'S deck-logic I can understand. Magic-references help us dummies.

Question: I really like the idea of the epic deck, but are you able to do do just as much by playing Superior Claim and Make An Example? What I mean is, if you switch the Epic events into Claim/Example, and swap a couple cards that are clearly there for and Epic phase, are you able to do the same thing (win really fast) but not have to 'show your hand' during the plot phase?
i say drop in the Host for a non kneeler. Btw can hodor be declared as attacker if he has naval ?
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HidaHayabusa
Apr 10 2013 09:40 PM
I think that you will have some trouble managing the costs. Although it doesn's look like it on paper, it's quite cost intensive. I would definitely add Ocean Road and Moreo Tumitis for the Naval power challenge (especially in the Epic phases).
Kizerman- Yup, good catch with the Dromon. I've more experience playing against this deck than as this deck, so I slipped up there. Really, the renown is the huge thing though. NCF with renown is just a phenomenal beatstick.

Scantrell- Well, it doesn't quite interfere with Syrio. Maybe more that Syrio interferes with it. If you happen to have the two, Syrio is hands down the better choice to put into Shadows or to bring out, but if for some fluke of randomization you don't have all the pieces you need yet, you could do worse than a cheap character with a military naval enhancement that helps dig you closer to that gas.

HomerJ- Well, unfortunately, Superior Claim won't work in a Seige of Winterfell deck as you'll be unable to claim power for your house during that power challenge. Make an Example is certainly an option for some Seige decks, though I would consider it a later game option due to the requirement on strength commitment. This type of build is geared much more toward a win by turn 2, which frequently means that you just won't quite have enough bodies on the board to commit the necessary 8 strength to the challenge. The early game rush likely favors Syrio/Epic Battles due to his much lower investment and the ability to bring him back out of Shadows (standing!) at the beginning of each of those Epic phases. Also, the cumulative effect of those additional military challenges against the opponent's ability to stop you is nothing to sneeze at.
I'm gonna try that. Back to my first love: Epic Siege!
How do you deal with plots like Lineage and Legacy (KotStorm) orShadows and Spiders (LotR)?
That's my only problem with pre-plotting several epic battles followed by fear of winter. What if they drop shadows and spiders... or Forgotten Plans? I mean, pre-plotting epics is not a very subtle move...
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ShadowcatX2000
Apr 11 2013 02:02 PM
If I preplot epic battles, I'd be much more inclined to drop my own forgotten plans first turn to stop any shadows and spiders shenanigans than to use fear of winter. I'd also probably run at least one copy of battle of ruby ford.
Exactly Josh, that's why I wouldn't even bother using fear of winter as my restricted. Even though it would be great against non-intrigue builds... it just has a glaringly bad match up with those intrigue focused decks (at least for the FoW pre-plot epics combo).

I've been using Knight of Flowers (SaS) as my restricted of choice. Much better than Rickard. And Narrow Sea handles the OOH penalty, he's only 5g with the penalty anyway, and totally worth it.
He could have problems with the smuggler (or opposing shadow cards).
I played this deck at KingdomCon to some pretty crappy results...it is shagga-ish but it's also very high variance. If you are okay with this, go for it, but it just feels like it's not especially dynamic in terms of comeback potential or outplaying your opponent. This is nothing against Kennon, just my experiences with the deck, so take it as you will.
I agree with that assessment. If it doesn't work, there's pretty much nothing you can do to regain the advantage.
I would go with Negotiations at the Great Sept (TPoL) instead of Manning to refill your hand in case the alpha strike doesn't work. You can then play any epic battles you draw immediately. And claim 2!
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this is great deck but always seems the most boring deck ever to play, just my opinion ha

I would go with Negotiations at the Great Sept (TPoL) instead of Manning to refill your hand in case the alpha strike doesn't work. You can then play any epic battles you draw immediately. And claim 2!


I agree - that card is made for Stark imo, and helps hugely with the hole in intrigue defense.

Given the majority of plots used have initiative 3 or more, and the bay of ice, is Host of the Bear a worthwhile inclusion?
Ok, so I started playing OCTGN recently, before only offline with some of my friends. I am noobish player, and super noobish at deckbuilding attempts. But i now know quite a fun fact.

I can predict with 90 % efficiency what deck will opponent play ! The one that was talked most recently on Cardgamedb. From the moment this article apeared, everybody plays Stark Siege :)
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I wouldn't use Knight of Flowers. Entire decks focused on shadows are quite common now for Targ and Lanni and random shadows cards are in tons of decks. Rickard Karstark is guaranteed to not kneel (barring blanking of course).
Agreed with Tibs. While the renown on KoF is nice, the opponent has a much easier time shutting him off than they do Rickard.

As for Negotiations at the Great Sept, that is indeed a fantastic card for rushy combo decks like this. I think that would indeed be a good swap in the plot selections.