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Forgotten Plans - Unexpected Deck Archetypes


Welcome back to another installment of Forgotten Plans, readers! Today we are going in a bit of a different direction. Instead of focusing on individual cards or themes, we are going to look at specific deck archetypes. I feel with Regionals season fast approaching, I should go into some good deck builds that are a bit out of the norm, but are still quite viable in the environment. I'll go over what the builds are, and some general ideas in this article. Then, in the weeks to come we'll dive into the specifics of the builds. So, let's go ahead and take a look at the first build that I think you should really consider when building that Regionals deck.

1. Wildlings - The Wildlings are some of the most cost effective characters in the game, especially when combined with their respective agendas. This means you are going to have quite a bit of strength for relatively cheap investment, which is good against aggro decks like Stark Siege or Baratheon Rush, but also against some of the control decks like GJ Choke and Martell GG. You're going to be able to match the strength of Stark and Baratheon but with much less gold cost to you, and you'll be able to overwhelm the GJ and Martell players by the sheer number of characters on the table. You also gain access to one of the best location control cards in the game with Climbing Spikes (AKitN), since location control seems to be all the rage going into this Regionals season. I think Wildlings are still the best out of Stark, since they are probably best suited to take advantage of the board dominance with cards like Winter is Coming (Core) and No Quarter (TBC).

2. Stark Shadows - Now, when most people think of Stark, they think The Siege of Winterfell (LoW). That deck is indeed very strong for a number of reasons. However, Stark Shadows has always been a pretty competitive build, and has gotten much much stronger with cards like Meera Reed (TftH) and Guardian Wolf (TIoR). You also have access to Catelyn Stark (AToT) which will come in very handy against those Lannister The Power Behind the Throne (LotR) decks, as well as Sorrowful Man (APS) who will combo quite nicely with the Winter sub-theme. You would do well running either Fear of Winter (BtW) or Venomous Blade (TBoBB) as your restricted card here.

3. Targ Burn (Shadows) - Now I don't think anyone would be surprised by the statement that Targ Burn is good, but I do think people have been overlooking the Shadows cards that support the burn theme. The core of the deck is built around The Dragonpit (TftRK) and various Shadows cards like Dragon Skull (CoS) and King's Landing Assassin (SaS). Targ also got some more support for this theme with Sorrowful Man (APS) and Shadow Seer (FtC). Out of house shadows cards you'll want to look at include Venomous Blade (TBoBB), Meera Reed (TftH), and Southron Mercenaries (TBoBB). If you choose to not use Venomous Blade, then I'd look at using Fury of the Dragon (AE) which hits Lannister and Baratheon, which should be rather popular this season with the Kings of the Lion being released and the recent changes from the FAQ.

So those are the top 3 decks that I think are probably tier 1 or close to tier 1 going into Regionals. What I'm trying to emphasize here is that you shouldn't be distracted by the shiny new stuff we've gotten. I'm sure everyone wants to try out that Baratheon Rush deck now that The Laughing Storm is no longer restricted, but you also need to make sure you have enough time to playtest that deck and learn all of its ins and outs. The Wildlings are just as strong as they were a few years ago, but people seem to have forgotten about them now that we have all these maesters and agendas. The biggest mistake you can make is taking an untested deck to Regionals. Stick with what you know and what has been proven to work, and you'll do well at Regionals. As I said, I'll be going into these decks in detail in a few weeks. Join us next week for the inaugural week here at the Small Council, where we'll be going over some of our favorite builds using Small Council events!


38 Comments

Unfortunately, you can't run Venomous Blade (TBoBB) in a targ burn deck, it's House Martell only. That would be the super awesome though! Nice write-up, some great deck ideas there.
and same with Meera Reed and Southron Mercenaries! T.T
I assume Staton is thinking of running the City of Shadows Agenda there.
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Yep, it's obviously CoS agenda.
Thanks for the write-up Staton. I played against a few Wildling decks on OCTGN and they do seem quite powerful.
Yeah I should have pointed out that those shadows builds work around the City of Shadows (CoS) agenda.

@Ahzrab: What house have you been seeing people play Wildlings out of? I still haven't seen anything but Stark. I think Baratheon would be pretty strong through. GJ probably too.
Mostly Bara Wildling Rush. They really do flood the table with creatures.
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SpiderMonkey
Mar 26 2012 01:22 PM
I'm a huge fan of Targ Shadows Burn. While I haven't taken it out to a tournament (seeing as I am a busy college student), I probably win 95% of jousts with it (granted it's against only Lannister and Martell, but 95% is still awesome).
Great article, btw! I've always wanted to try building a Wildling deck but haven't gotten around to actually making one.
Man glad everyone's liking this article. Seems to be my most popular to date!

@Spidermonkey: Yeah a strong Shadows Burn deck is very scary. It was so strong at GenCon a few years ago, and then people just seem to stop playing it because they wanted to try Maesters Path and just kinda forgot about Shadows. As for Wildlings, I think I'll throw up a Baratheon Wildling deck today for discussion purposes. I don't like giving full decklists for my articles, but I think I'll make an exception there.
I would say Wildlings are are best out of stark (osha and frozen outpost) or gj (lots of saves to keep val in play plus cancel)
Yeah I agree that Stark seems the best choice on paper, but I think that Baratheon does give you some solid options. I mean the obvious drawback to Wildlings is that you need that extra power. Well Baratheon can certainly help with that! Also, Stark does have Frozen Outpost (LoW), but Baratheon has Massey's Hook (ASoSilence) and The King's Ground (IG). Although I will miss No Quarter (TBC) that Stark gives you access to.
Great article! Keep up the great ideas.
Very good article! I think that Stark wildlings will see some play. Osha with stealth is a very good card, and the war crest theme out of stark is solid as well. The only issue with that deck that I can forsee is the lack of card draw options other than Val. Stark Shadows is amazing, but its expensive and slow. If given time I believe it can lock down a lot of decks, but it just takes some time. Dragonpit is a great card, especially out of targ with their many options for dealing with frozen solid. Other location hate(greyjoy) can really hurt that deck though.
Yeah I think you're probably right with Stark not having the greatest draw. I think you can supplement that somewhat with Val like you mentioned. Another option is Tourney Lance (TftH) or Court Advisor (PotS). The Lance works great on Orell the Eagle (ASitD) and Court Advisor works great in helping shore up that intrigue hole with Stark and Wildlings in general. The Blackfish (LoW) always helps in a stark deck, or if you get really desperate you could always throw in The Dragon's Tail (PotS).
Widow's Watch might be nice with the Wildling power uniques (Val, Mance, Orell etc.), and the combo of running both Frozen Solid and Climbing Spikes is just sheer pain. (I think Erick was running those both ~1½ years ago, in that Stark Wildling that cut a swathe across post-GenCon tournaments). Martell Wildlings might still also be solid, the power-events combine nicely with the Wildling character base. And yeah, Bara Wildlings is a pretty good aggro deck too.

Something I think that people shouldn't forget about is Lannister Shadows. The Lions-box really jumped the early game resource production for Lanni up a few notches, so that should be able to get the lock much earlier. Not to mention stuff like Brothel Guard.
Yeah Lanni Shadows is still a very dominant build, but I think people probably have it on their radar. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more Lanni Shadows than Lanni Power Behind the Throne.
Would Harrenhal supplement Stark Wildlings much?
Its a good card for any Stark deck really. Dudes are always going to be dying. However, it might be a bit too expensive for a Wildling deck since your gold curve is going to be pretty low, and Harrenhal might throw it out of whack. If you can afford it reliably though, a great card.
Unless your local meta doesn't like greyjoy, 3 cost locations are a bit out of reach for most decks. It just hurts too much to lose them to newly made lord or captain of the iron fleet.
Yeah I agree with you there SirDuck. I'm hoping that Stark gets back some of its location save stuff it used to have.
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I hate it when 1 or 2 cards discourage the use of other cards. Especially those with abilities that may be too good for cheaper than they currently are...
I have to say that a location would have to be amazing to waste card slots on something that saved locations. It would have to be a pretty amazing card, with location protection as almost an afterthought for it to be included. There just aren't very many locations in general worth investing resources. Do you recall what their old location saving cards were? THe only thing that I can recall off hand is the event that saved a location, they shall not cross, I think its called.
I know they had a number of attachments, but I think they had a character at some point as well.
How do everyone feel Holy is doing, either out of Bara or Greyjoy? Those archetypes didn't really get much out of the latest cycle; they were thrown a bone in A Poisoned Spear, with the absolutely horrible Drowned Crewman and not-spectacular-but-still-pretty-good Dragonstone Convert. I guess the biggest leg up either deck got was Lions of the Rock, which has so much support for Intrigue-based decks. I've been toying around with a Holy/Asshai delayed rush deck that seems to be shaping up well.
How do everyone feel Holy is doing, either out of Bara or Greyjoy? Those archetypes didn't really get much out of the latest cycle; they were thrown a bone in A Poisoned Spear, with the absolutely horrible Drowned Crewman and not-spectacular-but-still-pretty-good Dragonstone Convert. I guess the biggest leg up either deck got was Lions of the Rock, which has so much support for Intrigue-based decks. I've been toying around with a Holy/Asshai delayed rush deck that seems to be shaping up well.
Yeah I mean those decks can be good, but just isn't something that I like. Especially with the Laughing Storm unrestricted. Not to mention that everyone is already focusing on either winning or defending against intrigue challenges. It actually makes it even harder for Holy decks to win challenges. Granted Holy decks can win focus on any of the three challenges, but just doesn't seem to really get the job done these days. I'm not saying it can't win, but that I don't see a reason to run it over other builds. I still think there's something in there with Asshai and Litany of Light (TIoR) thought.