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Uniquely Suited - Robert Baratheon


Welcome to the first installment of my new series, Uniquely Suited. This series will take a look at characters (and the occasional location) that have multiple ‘personas’- that is, multiple versions of the same character. I will be breaking down every one of these personas, discussing which one is best for popular Joust deck types, and giving each one a rating from 1-10 Posted Image, based on their utility in Joust. Come along with me as we explore the options for each of our favorite characters from AGOT, from the venerable Robert Baratheon (see below!), to The Hound (PotS), and all the way down to the fat red priest, Thoros of Myr (TGM)!

Our first article begins with the first king that we meet in A Game of Thrones (and one of the two characters tied for the largest number of personas with 5- without peeking, can you name the only other LCG character with 5 versions? I was surprised when I found out!), Robert Baratheon, the First of His Name.

Robert Baratheon (Core):
One of the few cards that appears in multiple copies in a single Core set, the affectionately known “Fat Bob” is a solid addition to any Baratheon rush strategy. While he shares the Noble crest with his other four personas, it is something that he does not have – the King trait – that makes him very attractive to many deck builders. This absence allows the text of Renly Baratheon (KotStorm) to reduce the cost of all of your other Baratheon characters (or allows you to draw cards with the Raven’s Song Renly). He also plays well with Stannis Baratheon (KotStorm) in a control/denial deck. Add in some standing tech, which Baratheon has in spades in the form of Marya Seaworth (KotStorm), King Robert's Hammer (TBoBB) or events such as Obey the King (KotStorm), and this persona of Robert can gather bundles of power in a very short amount of time.
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Robert Baratheon (KotS):
If the Core set version is “Fat Bob,” this persona of Robert is most certainly “Combo Bob.” He is quite the enigma to many deck builders: He is a strong character stat-wise and sports renown like all Roberts, but his text requires him to kneel. As I mentioned before, Baratheon does have many ways of standing a character, but unless the event that you play swings the game quite a bit in your favor, it can be difficult to justify utilizing him. His text also requires him to be the only King in play (and not just the only Baratheon king), so that is another strike against him as his text can easily be ‘turned off’ for large portions of the game, making combos with him even more unreliable. He does recycle the event that he plays back into your deck, which is nice. Some of the more popular events to use his text for are Distinct Mastery (Core), See who is Stronger (KotStorm), and Questioned Claim (AE) (the last one being particularly effective since you are guaranteed to have a King in play yourself).
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Robert Baratheon (TTotH):
The infamous “No Shadows Bob” himself: One of the five strongest characters in the LCG, and the cause (directly or not) of two different errata (one to The Maester's Path (GotC) and one to himself). Despite the recent change to allow him to stand only 3 times per phase, he is still an imposing presence on the board, allowing him to participate in up to 4 challenges in a turn, potentially gathering renown for all of them. Additionally, you can use him to pay costs for effects that require kneeling, or use Flea Bottom (TGM) to play him cheaper and then stand him for later beatings. Court Advisor (PotS) is one of his favorite attachments, as it allows him even more versatility when it comes to attacking & defending. He does share a drawback with the Knight of Flowers (SaS) in that his text is inactive when there is a card in Shadows, so if your deck is planning on taking advantage of Shadows it’s probably better to look to a different persona of Robert. If Shadows is popular in your area, you may also want to add The King's Law (KotStorm) to your plot deck in order to ensure that he lives up to his reputation. Otherwise, go crazy!
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Robert Baratheon (KotStorm):
This version of Robert is a bit of a conundrum. In very general terms, he is outstripped by both Fat Bob and No Shadows Bob, as both cost 1 less gold to play, and this is shown in the overwhelming use of one or the other of those two in the more successful Baratheon builds. In addition to his higher gold cost, he would also shut off Renly’s reducing ability, so your other characters would potentially cost more as well. Builds including him must be very focused on power challenges in order to gain maximum advantage from his text. To build such a deck, one would want to stuff it as full of renown as possible, because the effect of winning multiple power challenges will naturally be curbed, especially early in the game when your opponent may not have any power on his house to claim in the first place. Characters who do not kneel and have renown, such as the Knight of Flowers, or characters that gain advantages in power challenges such as Ser Cortnay Penrose (KotStorm) or Arena Knight (RoW) would be staples of this deck. It might be possible under such circumstances to win the game on the first turn using multiple copies of Superior Claim (KotStorm). However, his extra cost would seem to run at cross purposes with the idea of flooding the board with the characters mentioned in large enough quantity, making him very difficult indeed to utilize well. A different possibility for him might be a deck in which you try to flood your opponent with as large a quantity of power challenges as possible, in order to grab a large amount of unopposed power, and hopefully some renown as well. This might be run best out of a Maester deck, utilizing plots such as An Empty Throne (KotS) and events like Citadel Custom (CbtC) in order to increase the number of power challenges, with Banner for the Storm (CtB) allowing maximum participation in those challenges.
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Robert Baratheon (TGM):
The most recent addition to the stable of Roberts, “Party Bob” is extremely Nedly, and he gains the underrated Melee keyword in addition to Renown and his Noble crest. As such, I hate to rate him as low as I have. I’ve seen him used effectively in a melee setting: he was one of the key components of the victorious melee deck piloted by a good friend of mine at Kingdom Con. However, it is unlikely that the Melee keyword is enough to sway a deck builder away from any of the other four personas of Robert in a Joust setting. Sorry, Bob, but the party’s over.
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I hope this look at the wide variety of choices for Robert Baratheon has been both informative and entertaining. Join us next week as I look at some of the other movers and shakers from the house of the Stag whose multiple personas open up a variety of deck building choices.


33 Comments

The party is never over for Party Bob! Great article. Can't wait to read more.
Joffrey Number 5.? Sound's like dancing to Party Bobs tune.
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Great article, with lots of informative analysis. You mentioned No Shadows Bob as one of the 5 strongest characters in the LCG. Just out of curiosity, which others would you include in that group?

Looking forward to the next installment.
Good question, Starhawk. I didn't have an explicit list in mind when I wrote that, to be honest. ;) Here would be the others in consideration, I think:
Meera Reed (TftH)
The Red Viper (PotS)
Cersei Lannister (LotR)
The Conclave (CbtC)
Asha Greyjoy (WLL)
Euron Crow's Eye (TGM)
Catelyn Stark (LoW)

Obviously that's more than four others, and it's VERY possible that I've forgotten a couple that should be on the list, but those (plus Bob) would be where I'd start if I were going to make a top 5 list.

Maybe this is an article unto itself...
Yeah, I had a feeling you were referring to a more general "top tier" of characters. It's really difficult to narrow it down. That list looks pretty good, though--KL Knight of Flowers is the only one I'd add off the top of my head. Easier to shut down than Asha, but renown + not kneeling to attack OR defend is just bonkers for 3 gold.
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jackmerridew
May 01 2012 12:58 PM
Hey really good idea for an article i like the breakdowns and the ranking system. Can't wait to see Joffrey, Robb Stark, Khal Drogo and Theon
Just to make sure everyone knows imrahil327 wrote this article, I accidently left my name on it when I published it which has since been corrected. All fan mail should be directed to him :D
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playgroundpsychotic
May 01 2012 01:23 PM
Fat Melee Bob will crush you all. What other card can generate 14 power in one turn?
I would add Knight of Flowers (SaS) to that list by far as well. Really cheap and great ability like Shadow's Bob. In fact, potentially better than Shadow's Bob because he's only 3 gold to play.
Sorry starhawk77, I missed you post.
I'm very disappointed with the rating of Challenge Bob!

Shaddows Bob, yeah, it's fine; Fat Bob is average because you'd need several cards for it to work; but Challenge Bob... that man can win a game in one turn!

I play a Knights of Power deck with him, Arena Knights, Knight of Flowers (SaS), Ser Axel Florent (Core), Ser Cortnay Penrose (KotStorm). One of these with him and you can see the deal!
Also add Edric Storm (Core) to have another extra Challenge, along with Plots, and you can make a turn with 4 Power Challenges.

Also, the fact of him being a King is not a downside at all. I'd rather play with Renly (Core) and Stannis (Core) instead of their King versions, Renly to stand and participate in another Challenge and Stannis to create unopposed Challenges (along with an early Red Wedding).
Well you might want to play with Renly (Core) but the vast majority I think would rather play with Renly (Ravens) or Renly (Kings of the Storm). So it's about what you are giving up, and honestly, I feel like Challenge Bob is just too big of an investment in something that is pretty easy to take care of in the current environment. Plus unless you have a ton of standing stuff (or not kneeling but there isn't a lot of this going around) he really isn't doing much for you. I'd much rather run Fat Bob and Renly (Kings of the Storm).

Also you forgot Brienne in top 10 characters.
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jackmerridew
May 01 2012 03:04 PM
Someone should do the inverse, write about characters with only one or two cards who deserve more, Victarion Greyjoy, Rhegar Targaryen, Jorah Morment, and Arianne Martell
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Also, Hodor.
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PotS Brienne. For 3 gold, she's completely bonkers.
There are two Jorah's now, jack. :) But I agree that those others definitely deserve multiple versions. A playable Strong Belwas would make me happy too.
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jackmerridew
May 01 2012 07:10 PM
hence why i said 1 or 2 cards. . . .^^

i just think a lot of charcters in the series mean more to me than some generic non-unique. why not give the characters from the series some more love
Ah, didn't see the 'or two' :)
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SneakyBookshelf
May 01 2012 08:26 PM
In my Meta the KotStrom Robert is called "Duckface Bob" there, now you have a nickname for all of them
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I would love to see a (SPOILER ALERT) one-armed Jaime. Only an intrigue icon maybe, or very low stats, but some sort of kingsguard effect
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jackmerridew
May 01 2012 08:48 PM
would love to see a(spoiler) faceless arya
if you guys want to have a spoiler alert, DO NOT make it right next to the spoiler itself. That's really annoying and I'm glad I have read the 4th book.

Make the spoiler white color so it can be seen only when highlighted.
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jackmerridew
May 02 2012 01:07 AM
Spoiler Alert read the books so you don't get things spoiled
This is a card game site, why do you suppose people have read all the books?

Of course you are free to post whatever plots in the books you want. I'm just suggesting a more proper way to do spoiler tag. Thinking people who don't read as fast as you should blame themselves is selfish.
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This is a truly nitpicky thing, but do you really need a 1-10 scale? Is there really so much gradation? I also found the little unicity flags difficult to "read" when you lump so many together; I had to actively count to see how many you had given to Fat Bob and Shadow Bob. Perhaps in the next installment you could also include the number -- "8" and then a crapton of unique flags.