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All Things Shagga - The Top Shagga: A Song of the Sea

Small Council All Things Shagga Kennon

With another cycle finished, All Things Shagga turns our attention now to looking at the “A Song of the Sea” cycle to determine the top 5 Shagga cards for the set. So, without further ado, let’s take a look!

Black Sails (RotK) - The Black Sails agenda has sure taken some time to pull together on the competitive front because it really needed to hit a critical mass of naval enhanced characters to reliably trigger the effect, but what Shagga among us didn’t look at this agenda when it was first released and feel that surge of electric thought at what it might make possible? There’s the chance that variance will just completely trash your deck in some small amount of games but most of the time, Black Sails gives players the chance to search up any missing piece that they might need for a given combo. And as a bonus, the Martell self mill decks even like Black Sails as a way to make their draw deck even smaller and easier to mill.

Dale Seaworth (AToTT) - Dale would probably also be on most Jaime players’ short list of best cards from the set. Of course, he also turns out to have some really fun Shagga possibilities thanks to having both an “enters play” and a “leaves play” ability, which give the opportunity for some neat ways to abuse him. For further reference, take a look at my last two articles for decks built around trying to abuse Dale.

Iron Fleet Scout (TCC) - Ok, so the Scout doesn’t set up a combo or engine the same way as some of the other cards that we love here on All Things Shagga, but it does really open up the chances that the characterless or characterlite decktype becomes truly viable in the LCG metagame. It had been possible previously in the CCG, and was regarded as a very inventive archetype in its day and age, but hadn’t quite had the legs that it needed in the current era. A new location that can change to become a character during the Challenge phase, but otherwise dodge removal and resets is just what was needed.

Desperate Measures (TCC) - Must like Black Sails, Desperate Measures gives the Shagga player a fantastic way to dig into their deck and find the pieces they need. Much like Dale, it’s highly regarded by the Jaime players as well, but Desperate Measures earns extra Shagga points for filling the discard pile with cards that you can then find Shagga ways to recycle- like Dale!

Sitting the Iron Throne (AToTT)- Once again, we have a card that brings another much needed piece to pull an archetype together that didn’t quite have enough support before. While Lannister could generate some pretty massive amounts of gold, Tywin and Daven were really the only ways to turn that into a game winning Shagga advantage. Sitting the Iron Throne gives Lannister a way to gain a steadier flow of gold into power and this lead to a win condition without actually competing in the Challenge phase. Any time Shaggas can find a way to do that, you have a pretty highly rated Shagga card. Of course, Sitting the Iron Throne can also lead to trait manipulation based shenanigans with Lion’s Gate to create an engine, which means that Sitting the Iron Throne is actually a two pronged Shagga beast.

Which five would you have chosen?


19 Comments

I would add Blood Magic Ritual (TCC).
The card itself has lots of possibilities but the ruling of putting a character into play with no attachments lets you recycle the ritual (because it gets discarded) and the character remains in play. It must be a non-Army char but its not limited to Targ only. And you can send an OOH char to the dead pile with Visenya's Hill (SaS).

I would add Blood Magic Ritual (TCC).


Definitely! Also the Crown of Meereen (QoD) combo mentioned in BMR's comments sounds just crazy to me.
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Definitely! Also the Crown of Meereen (QoD) combo mentioned in BMR's comments sounds just crazy to me.


tick, tick, tick,... GOT IT! That´s a real sly shagga style ^_^
Can someone enlighten me regarding the "trait manipulation based shenanigans" using Sitting the Iron Throne and Lion's Gate? I'm not seeing it.
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Raithwalker
Jul 03 2013 05:05 PM
My guess would be
Lion's Gate (ASoS), but I still don't think Lanni has enough trait bouncing effects to make it competitive. And yes, I'm aware how awesome A House Divided is.
A House Divided can be particularly entertaining with Lion's Gate and Campfire Mime. For the most part Lion's Gate sets up Dissension and Ser Arys Oakheart to give Lannister some direct removal, which isn't bad for a 0-cost location. You'd probably play it in a Pentoshi Manor deck then it also cancels out the power gain from the Manor's ability.

Blood Magic Ritual is the top Shagga of the set for me, hands down, unless they errata it to specifically not be able to return characters that it won't be able to attach to.
I feel like guided by quaithe should be on this list.
agree with guided by quaithe--massive shagga combos with that.
Yup, Blood Magic Ritual was actually on my list, but I wound up cutting it because most people seem to consider the ability to return "No Attachments" characters a bit of a fluke. Pending FAQ, I wanted to hold out on it. Of course, I had also missed the interaction with Crown of Mereen and attachment discard effects. Throw in some recursion and you've got a pretty sweet way to keep bringing your guys back and taking out your opponent's best attachment able character. I dig it!

Yup, Reldan is pretty much right about the trait based shenanigans that I alluded to. I probably should have gone into more detail, but that pretty much covers it. Another nice possibility if you go out of house is Horn of Dragons to keep stealing your opponent's most important character.
May be a good combo with new ygritte.
I'm not sure what they were thinking with the new Ygritte to be honest, because I can only assume they forgot they had printed Recruiter of the Watch (2 gold neutral that kneels to make any character Night's Watch).

I expect Venomous Blade to make a comeback in a big way as the most straightforward answer to these shenanigans.

Kennon, I have a Blood Magic Ritual deck built around Rhaegar recursion that I think is most certainly Shagga-worthy and is built around BMR working the "fair" way.

Consider bringing him back with BMR on a turn you go first, then collect your gold during marshalling and discard the attachment... skipping taxation, your opponent's marshal (and even their gold collection), and starting a new turn with double gold. And that's not even touching on the Crown of Meereen trickery.
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Reldan, that might be the most beautiful thing I've heard in a long time.
Actually, what makes it beautiful is playing it with At The Palace of Sorrows and River plot recursion. You get BMR back on top of your deck - they get stuck having to put an in-play card back on top of theirs... and the turn starts again. If you wanted to get particularly frisky you could run Under the Bridge of Dreams to get a 3rd trigger off At the Palace of Sorrows plus the bonus gold (that carries over to the next round so you don't get stuck with the 1/6/1 plot stats). Currently I'm running it out of a TMP build because the combination of Bronze Link, Lead Link, and Meerenese Brothel provides the basic recursion engine, and Copper Link already is off the hook in Targ with the discard duo and recursion effects.
I know a lot of people aren't really high on this card, but I think Blessed by the Maiden (AJE) has super potential. What if people started running 3x Battle of Ruby Ford (BoRF) since they could so easily recover it? Or even worse The Prince's Plans (TIoR)!
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Reldan, I am very interested in seeing this deck list if you feel like sharing! =)

If not, I understand.
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Blessed by the maiden is the super anti-card against Targa long voyage decks. You shuffle the cards back into the deck under the street waif's nose, so no more infinite recursion
Dude I would love to see the list too, if you don't mind. I took a shot at a deck that recycles him using BMR, but couldn't get it to go off really.
I've got two decks that work off the theme - one is very Shagga and is more about abusing the cards than winning straight up. The drawback of the combo is that while it shuts down your opponent it doesn't actually net you power very quickly. The other deck actually is pretty effective and shares a lot of similarities with the Dragon Lore deck that won a regional not long ago, as a lot of the cards used in Rhaegar recursion overlap with the cards to do Balerion recursion, and you can rack up power quickly with non-kneeling dragons with renown and Rhaegal. If you're first player, shut your opponent out with Rhaegar, and if they go first, kneel them out with Balerion. Against some decks the Rhaegar piece winds up not even being necessary if they don't have an answer for Maesters and recurring Balerion to begin with. The dragon angle works because the dragons are all broken as hell with BMR as currently ruled (leaving them in play permanently and nicely going back to the discard to be recursed again and again), so I can't really deny that abusing that angle in a deck focused on putting BMR back into play every turn is a no-brainer right now if you're looking to win. If this were volleyball, Rhaegar sets and Balerion spikes, as it should be.

Kennon expressed some interest in doing a Shagga article on the deck(s) so I'm not going to ruin the fun by putting the decklists up, but if you want to see them sooner shoot me a PM. As works-in-progress I'm always happy to hear other people's suggestions on what might make something better.
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Blessed by the maiden is the super anti-card against Targa long voyage decks. You shuffle the cards back into the deck under the street waif's nose, so no more infinite recursion

I love Blessed by the Maiden. People were going crazy over Shores of the Summer Sea, but Blessed by the Maiden in a Pyre of the False Gods self-mill deck is infinitely superior. Because who ever said you had to run Pyre out of a Baratheon deck? (Hint: Supported by the Smith still puts it into play from discard for free out-of-house)
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