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Beyond the Wall, Season 1 Episode 18

Beyond the Wall Istaril Darknoj r480 Greyjoy Podcast A Game of Thrones

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In this week's episode, Istaril and Darknoj briefly go over some FFG news. Then, with returning guest r480 (Raul), we give you part five of our series featuring a house and where it stands in the new meta. Once again, we each build a competitive Greyjoy deck to test with or against in your tournament preparations. Finally, in our closing comments, we announce upcoming regionals.

Relevant links (there may be some delay in pubishing the decks. If the links don't work, see comments below):
Raul's Deck
Darknoj's Deck
Istaril's Deck
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Raul's Deck

Greyjoy / No Agenda

Plots (7)
Search and Detain 1
Rise of the Kraken 1
Valar Morghulis 1
The King's Law 1
A Song of Summer 1
Summoned by the Conclave 1
A Time for Ravens 1
Characters (36)
Samwell Tarly 2
Moqorro 1
Coldhands 1
Island Refugee 3
Iron Fleet Captain 3
Hammerhorn Raiders 2
King Balon's Host 1
Gilly 1
Newly Made Lord 3
Gran Goodbrother 1
Victarion Greyjoy 1
Alannys Greyjoy 1
Maester Wendamyr 1
Alleras 1
Carrion Bird 3
The Reader 1
Bloodthirsty Crew 1
Enraged Crewman 1
Maester Murenmure 1
Theon Greyjoy 1
Qarl the Maid 1
Aeron Damphair 1
Baelor Blacktyde 1
Damphair's Drowned 2
Maester Kerwin 1
Events (7)
Nightmares 2
Finger Dance 3
Risen from the Sea 2
Locations (17)
The Kingsroad 3
Gatehouse 3
Street of Sisters 1
Street of Steel 1
Longship Grief 2
Sunset Sea 2
The Iron Mines 3
Longship Iron Victory 2
Attachments (4)
Black Raven 2
Milk of the Poppy 2

Darknoj's Deck

Greyjoy / House of Dreams

 

Plots (7)
Focused Offense 1
Valar Morghulis 1
Men of Pride 1
Fear of Winter 1
Forgotten Plans 1
A Time for Ravens 1
Retaliation! 1
Characters (35)
Greydon Goodbrother 1
Alannys Greyjoy 2
Moqorro 1
Carrion Bird 3
Distinguished Boatswain 3
Ice Fisherman 2
Theon Greyjoy 2
Ser Preston Greenfield 1
The Reader 1
Wintertime Marauders 2
Tycho Nestoris 1
Maester Wendamyr 1
Wex Pyke 2
Balon Greyjoy 2
Samwell Tarly 2
Orkmont Reaver 3
Damphair's Drowned 3
Island Refugee 3
Events (8)
Risen from the Sea 3
Storming the Shore 2
Seasick 3
Locations (18)
The Inn of the Kneeling Man 2
Longship Iron Victory 1
The Iron Mines 3
Longship Iron Victory 1
Gatehouse 3
The Kingsroad 2
River Blockade 1
Sunset Sea 3
The Iron Cliffs 1
Street of Sisters 1
Attachments (2)
White Raven 2

Istari's Deck

 

Greyjoy / The Old Way

 

Plots (7)
The King's Law 1
Victarion's Scheme 1
Valar Morghulis 1
Retaliation! 1
Fury of the Kraken 1
King's Landing Coup 1
Rise of the Kraken 1
Characters (31)
Gran Goodbrother 1
Theon Greyjoy 1
Newly Made Lord 2
The Reader 2
Distinguished Boatswain 3
Damphair's Drowned 3
Tycho Nestoris 1
Andrik the Unsmiling 1
Greydon Goodbrother 1
Maester Wendamyr 2
Wex Pyke 1
Coldhands 1
Alannys Greyjoy 1
Gormond Goodbrother 1
Jaqen H'ghar 1
Qarl the Maid 1
Asha Greyjoy 2
Maester Murenmure 1
Baelor Blacktyde 1
Moqorro 1
Herald of the Sea 1
Gorold Goodbrother 1
Fishwhiskers 1
Events (6)
Finger Dance 2
To Be a Kraken 3
Storming the Shore 1
Locations (24)
The Kingsroad 1
Street of Steel 1
Naval Escort 3
Street of Sisters 1
River Blockade 1
Flea Bottom 1
The Iron Mines 3
Longship Iron Victory 2
Refurbished Hulk 1
Bay of Ice 3
Street of Silk 1
Ten Towers Longship 1
Gatehouse 3
The Iron Cliffs 1
Captured Cog 1
Attachments (1)
Captain of the Iron Fleet 1

Interesting decks. Since ToW is really the only competitive GJ deck right now you have some freedom to create unique decks. No one seemed to have an answer to Meera though.

 

The current meta seems to be a rock, paper, scissors of Martell BT, GJ ToW, and Stark NA.

Summer and nightmares are enough imo.

meera cant effect the HoD location either.

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scantrell24
Jun 02 2014 02:45 PM

I'd be wary of Jaqen in Greyjoy because GJ has few Allies to distract Vars, Arys, and Jorah before Jaqen comes out. Saving with Wendamyr is nice though.

 

For GJ attachments, I've enjoyed putting Support of Harlaw on Asha (FF).

 

Greyjoy Black Sails is resilient, fun, and everything else I look for in a deck... except it's weak to the targeted control triumvirate - burn, kneel, and icon manipulation.

 

I'd love to hear a podcast discussing the Neutral Faction, especially with the new cards like Septon Utt coming out. They might all use TLV, but there's still room for variety. I've seen a Neutral deck using Kings, Queens, and the 8-cost Armies; one using the Conclave; one using the Kingsguard; also either Season could work.  

I've been waiting for weeks to hear your thoughts on GJ Kings of Winter and you give me summer and HoD. For shame.
Enjoyable cast as always, but I feel like these three decks are less valuable for regional prep than previous episodes.
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erocklawell
Jun 02 2014 03:23 PM
Isn't focused offense a military battle? couldn't you still use to be a kraken, esp if you try and play that plot first turn?
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You are correct erocklawell. I could keep my to be in the deck. 

Enjoyable cast as always, but I feel like these three decks are less valuable for regional prep than previous episodes.

 

I think that's a fair criticism. The problem is that in GJ, the Old Way deck (which you have to practice against) has already been 'solved' to within 3-4 cards, and is readily available through other sources. The other decks just haven't made much of an impact in the meta at the moment (a couple No Agenda, one black sails and a Song of Ice win), so it's somewhat hard to say that these are the decks you have to test against...

Part of the problem too is that 5 weeks of "stock" decks is pretty draining on us!

 

Maybe to rectify this for next week's Bara episode, we should take requests as to which 3 decks to make?

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You are correct erocklawell. I could keep my to be in the deck. 

 

If FoW is going to be your opener 2/3rds of the time, and Time for Ravens your follow up most of the time, you're still in the same boat. I'd stick with Seasick over TBAK for now!

I'd like to thank Doulos2k for pointing out that it's unlikely cardgamedb is relying on images scraped from agotcards, as the card images here have been of superior quality (since the takeover?), as illustrated, by Doulos2k, in such examples as Ellaria seen here, and here.

It may still be the case that cardgamedb awaits the cardIDs provided either by Hank or agotcards in order to maintain compatibility with the OCTGN exporter.

I am really digging the Jaqen Tech Idea. Not sure how great it is, but it sure sounds fun as hell... Kudos!

Thanks for the shoutout - always happy to help whenever I can.

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Maybe to rectify this for next week's Bara episode, we should take requests as to which 3 decks to make?


I'd quite like to see Defiance, I hear there is a decent holy version for Bara.

Black Sails would also be a nice one to see - what kind of things would go in with the changing meta, especially the struggle to beat GJOW in challenges to access the hold?

a no agenda bara rush deck using influence and recursion went undefeated in swiss at days of ice and fire, lost in top four but is a very solid deck. 

a no agenda bara rush deck using influence and recursion went undefeated in swiss at days of ice and fire, lost in top four but is a very solid deck. 

Was it running rivers?

Bara has some options, in my view:

 

Black Sails/Knights -- both of these will use similar characters to leverage the shadow control elements. I'd go Knights, but I can see Sails doing something similar

 

TMP--Combo, control, and rush are available ways to take this. I think something strong is lurking in this archetype

 

Rush--no agenda rush is how I'd go (obviously Martell conquest another option), though Noble Cause could work, as could something like Kings of Summer or even House of Dreams (but I wouldn't go rush with HoD personally)

I'd vote for a Bara no agenda rush as well.

Was it running rivers?

 

nope doesn't use plot cycling and is rush so rivers doesn't help. 

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OldShrimpEyes
Jun 04 2014 06:27 AM
Knights of the Realm, HOD and Black Sails.

Knights of the Realm, HOD and Black Sails.

 

What HoD location(s) do you have in mind?

Bara faces a problem right now, and rather than rehash 3 decktypes that clearly aren't working for it right now, we're going to do something a little special. Due to some recording delays, as usual Istaril's fault, you'll have to wait an extra week for that episode!

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