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FAQ for For Family Honor

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Ser Edmure Tully

- Edmure can steal power from opponent's characters when they gain it using renown or other abilities.
- Remember that renown is optional, you can choose not to gain power if you don't want Edmure to steal it.
- "Gain" is a special game term that means taking a token from the treasury. Moving power from another player's card is different from gaining power. Compare to Riverrun's wording.

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Bear Island

- Triggers off itself, thus effectively costs 2 gold.
- Triggers only when you marshal a card, not when you put it into play via Ambush or another card ability.

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Renly Baratheon

- You cannot use duplicates (or Iron Mines, etc.) to save Renly if any opponent controls a King character.

- The Eyrie will still work though, because "cannot be killed" is not a save effect.

- You need to trigger Renly's ability right away when you draw a card using insight, before you add it to your hand.

- Renly's ability works with any insight, not just his own (e.g. Butterbumps).

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Crown of Golden Roses

- A character can have a maximum of three icons (a military icon, an intrigue icon, and a power icon). A character cannot have two icons of the same type.

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Thoren Smallwood

- Thoren doesn't need to participate in a challenge in order to trigger his ability.

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Night Gathers...

- You cannot marshal a unique card from your oppoent's discard pile if another copy of that card is in play under his or your control, or in his or your dead pile.

- You marshal characters "as if they were in your hand", so Famine increases their cost by 1.

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Ser Amory Lorch

- If your opponent's 4th character dies to PTTS or military claim, by the time keywords are processed Ser Amory Lorch will have renown.

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Harrenhal

- "At the end of the phase" delayed effects trigger outside of the phase, so you won't be able to trigger Crossroads Sellsword or Winterfell Crypt.

- You can use Harrenhal to put a unique character into play as a duplicate, if you already have another copy of that character in play. At the end of the phase, you will not have to kill that character, or discard that duplicate (note the wording: "If that _character_ is still in play").

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Blood of My Blood

- You can put a unique character into play as a duplicate, if you already have another copy of that character in play. At the end of the phase, if that particular duplicate card is still in play, return it to your hand (just the duplicate, not the character itself; note the wording: "If that _card_ is still in play").

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Battle of Oxcross

- Even thought 4+ cost characters cannot be *declared* as defenders, you can still make them patricipate in the challenge using card effects (Wardens of the North, Winterfell Kennel Master, etc.)
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This is great! It confirmed my suspicion about Night Gathers and I learned a couple other interesting rules like using Harrenhal and Blood of My Blood for dupes.

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Ironswimsuit
Oct 06 2016 03:29 PM

Yes! Thanks so much for linking cards in the article.  I wonder how many reaction denials we'll see for Renly at events because a player added the card to hand. Butthurtbumps

Thanks for the clearfications :)

Nigth Gathers and Yoren were so needlessly castrated by FAQ. Euron needed fixing but those NW tricks were so nice and stylish it just does not feel rigth...

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actionjohnny
Oct 07 2016 10:12 AM

Nigth Gathers and Yoren were so needlessly castrated by FAQ. Euron needed fixing but those NW tricks were so nice and stylish it just does not feel rigth...

 

As a NW player, I don't think it was needless. It makes perfect sense. If something is unique, it's unique. So if it's dead or already in play you can't clone it. Seems fair to me. There are a varied amount of ways of getting stuff in the discard pile to steal. Being able to marshal a dupe that's been discarded to claim while the original card is still in play feels like cheating to me.

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actionjohnny
Oct 07 2016 10:13 AM

Also, i works both ways. If you marshal their discarded character before they're able to find their second copy, they can't play it either. So swings and roundabouts really.

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This "marshalling block" was one of best implementations of Yoren. Rigth now you need to be really lucky to steal something worth it. It is easy to kill a character it is hard to discard it.

IMO, most of these were pretty clear and didn't need a faq, just players willing to read the cards, know the rules, and use common sense.

    • LoneElfRanger likes this

IMO, most of these were pretty clear and didn't need a faq, just players willing to read the cards, know the rules, and use common sense.

 

I agree. That's why they won't make it into the official FAQ, just into these mini-FAQs and ThronesDB entries. Although you'd be surprised to know how many times I've seen the question "Are duplicates considered to be saves?"

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TheConstantOne
Oct 07 2016 11:58 PM

question about hot pie: does his ability mean i can kneel as many companions as i want, as many times as i can, to reduce the cost of the next unique character i marshal?

Yep. Just remember that you cannot kneel your opponent's characters to pay costs.

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JohnyNFullEffect
Oct 09 2016 02:26 PM
Don't really like Harrenhal's FAQ about not triggering from its effect. Sounds like the 1E gotcha about cannot save/react at end of phase.